“Well, goodbye solar panel feed-in tariff. Wind turbines next. Once these hideous industrial machines have to rely on the electricity they produce to make a profit for their foreign owners, rather than generous subsidies from the taxpayer (us), and high prices for the power (us again), the truth of the big lie will be revealed. We can't afford all this free power.

Too late for Fullabrook. When these things are rotting on their concrete plinths because no-one can afford to take them down, people will look at them, and curse the planners who allowed them.”

“The council is wrong. They are obliged to investigate when the noise occurs and not defer it to when the site is fully operational.

This is the law.

They should read this which DEFRA commisioned.

Locals should threaten the council with court action, stop paying council tax etc.

http://tinyurl.com/6gswdf9”

“The North Devon Council are wrong when they say nothing can be done about this. They are required by law - the Environmental Protection Act - to serve an abatement notice to prevent emissions which are "prejudicial to health or a Statutory Nuisance".

The affected residents, who can not sleep, must demand that the Council do what they are legally required to do and that is safeguard the environment to ensure the people have a healthy place to live.
The World Health Organisation has stated lack of sleep is a cause of ill health. Worldwide experts have shown through peer reviewed research that wind turbines can cause various types of illness and many families in this country and abroad have abandoned there homes because of turbine noise.
Aeolus says "only fools or wind industry stooges would claim this is not the case". A very apt statement when one considers that the North Devon District Council planning department and Environmental Health Department have known about this medical research and the many instances of people suffering the effects of wind turbine emissions for several years . There has been no explanation from them as to why they have not taken the research and empirical evidence seriously.
The people of this District are paying for a service which clearly they are not receiving. They deserve better and they are entitled to live in a safe environment.
Fullabrook sufferers make your complaints to the NDDC and do not let them fob you off. It is your health that matters.”

“noise is a real issue having worked on windfarms for over 20 years.

etsu is out of date.

renewable uk and res have eventually decided that am should be studied so reluctantly have decided to do something about it.

too late for these people though.

ilpoppet should reserve comment until the noise issues are fully understood. to make general comments without researching the facts is both ignorant and arrogant - very much like the wind industry and their trade association.”

“Aeolus
"...obscene contempt for the victims of turbine noise." What victims, there have not been any substantiated health impacts from wind turbine noise under ETSU, or any other sensible planning limits. Lots of claims, yes. But none that have stood up to scrutiny.
Ontario is home to an egregious NIMBY group making unfounded claims of wind turbine syndrome. Discusting scaremongering. Lets see how the early reports pan out. It could of course be unfounded tabloid journalism like teh old Times article you quote.
An acoustics trade mag writing an editorial asking for more government funding for acoustics research? Blimy.
Shill, Stooge - oh grow up.”

“Well said Aeolus. Like you, I don't find the potentai ruination in people's quality of life at amusing. ETSU97 is long overdue for an overhaul.”

“IL.poppet.

Were you anything other than a wind industry shill I would be surprised at your obscene contempt for the victims of turbine noise.

You and your masters are, however, fighting against the tide: worldwide we see more and more cases of turbine noise problems and a growing recognition of the widely accepted fact that SOME people suffer health problems from wind turbine noise.

Just in the last 48 hours a major story on the scale of noise complaints in Ontario has broken reveakling how Ontario's Ministry of the Environment logged hundreds of health complaints over the province's 900 wind turbines but concealed the problem, according to internal ministry documents obtained by CBC News: http://tinyurl.com/3p9noqd

There is also a growing body of academic, peer-reviewed studies setting out why there are problems. Only fools or wind industry stooges would claim that this is not the case.

I refer again to the Danish government commissioned report on low frequency noise from large turbines published last year (see below). Please tell us why this report is wrong.

Even the wind industry's favourite acousticians (reluctantly) accept that there are problems with amplitude modulation at a growing number of UK turbine arrays, see: 'Officials cover up wind farm noise report', The Times, December 13, 2009.

Meanwhile the government, or, more correctly, DECC continues to ignore the fact that the ETSU noise working group (NWG) stated in its recommendations that ETSU R 97 might need revisiting and recommended revision within two years, with reviews at regular intervals to accord with changes in wind turbine technology. That has never happened.

No wonder that the Noise Bulletin, the professional journal for acousticians, has stated (with reference to the last AM cover up) that, "Only when the public can trust the Government and wind farm developers on noise issues will there be a chance that the public will accept them without a fight ..." (Editorial, Noise Bulletin, Issue 15, Aug/Sept. 2007).”

“Astonishing that you find the Davis case analogous to people who complain about electromagnetic smog, bad feng sheui or ghosts. I can't think of anyone who has managed to get a case to the High Court on the basis of such a matter. Perhaps more astonishing though is your trivialisation of their problem...”

“"As for de-carbonising our energy generation, what do you propose to fill in the blanks when the wind stops blowing" The existing grid generators! Remember them, they are still there. They are not dynamited just because a wind farm is built, but they do burn less fuel. That is the important thing.
With or without a wind farm we have to have despatchable generators on the grid that continuously adjust output to meet demand. Add a wind farm and when the wind is blowing (about 85% of the time) the preexisting despatchable plant reduces output saving fuel, reducing
CO2 and reducing costs.
That is why we need more on our grid in a hurry. If you don't like the look of them fine, but to spread health and noise scare stories is immature and offensive as far as I am concerned.”

“Mike Hulme - Inspector Pykett is in the minority. I doubt that the Den Brooke AM condition will get far.
Cynicalous - And what of those who complain of electromagnetic smog, bad fung sheui, ghosts, any other problem that seems real to them but that no one else can substantiate?”